Greetings all! My wife and I just spent a 3 nights at Orr...our first visit since the construction was completed. The renovation is really tasteful, and the two tubs atop the new sundeck are great for night soaking. If the floating thermometers can be trusted, the water entering the outdoor tubs is 113 F. The tubs themselves varied from 107 in the morning to 104 in the afternoon. Sauna and steam wre working perfectly. All of the private tubs have water pretty much just as hot as the water going into the big tubs. Montgomery Woods were as lovely as ever. Only one down for the whole trip...not one single salad spinner in the kitchen?! We always eat big salads, and had to spend a lot of time shaking the wash water off of our salad greens! Peace. John & Kenna, Oakland